Class 20: MON APR 01

Riddle: On the Validity of Sources

Where I first saw this image: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-56286719

Is the source credible?

Is the BBC website a credible source of news? Is it credible enough that you will accept this photograph has not been altered after it was taken? The optical phenomenon is described in ways that sound SORT OF credible, but if the BBC had published it on April 01, maybe we wouldn’t be so likely to accept its veracity. Read the article. Decide for yourself. Leave observations below.

Do I trust the image?

As part of your Agenda notes for today, evaluate how you feel about the credibility of the photograph and the reported explanations for it.

Fact-checking


The Rhetorical Value of Visuals

If you’re having a hard time understanding what I mean by analyzing the Rhetoric of your 30-second spot, this example of the meaning of the Thai Life Insurance ad might help.

Not Because

My Chemical Romance “I Don’t Love You”

Robust Subjects and Verbs

News Article on “Poor Doors”

How to Fix a Slogan

Rebuttal Argument

My Worthy Opponent is Wrong

17 Responses to Class 20: MON APR 01

  1. The boat photo is real, marriages are quite strange in essence and camera’s can distort things as well. Try to make sentences easier to follow and understand. It’s good to be direct with your message and to not mice words. Visual rhetoric can be very powerful due to subliminal messaging that can be disguised by a pleasant concept on paper.

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  2. ilovemydog's avatar ilovemydog says:
    • I do think the image is credible. It just seems as if the image is an illusion to the eye.
    • Every frame is a claim and we conspire to be persuaded 
    • The video wants people to want to be like the man in the video. 
    • Our rewrites for our visual argument are something that we must do. 
    • We should focus on each frame and see what that specific frame means. 
    • The video’s argument type is Analogy. 
    • Sentences that follow a negative verb with because create confusion for readers. 
    • An example of this is, “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful.” The negative negation comes before. Who would want to listen to this sentence after they heard the first part?
    • “Is” is the weakest verb. 
    • We should revise our sentences so that our strongest subject completes the most robust action. 
    • If we want to say something to make a certain point, we should just say it. 
    • We shouldn’t be hesitant to make claims. 
    •  Sentence-by-sentence revisions are important.
    • The rebuttal argument is due SUN April 7th at midnight.
    • The point of this argument is to refute.
    • We are trying to persuade people who may disagree with our point. We are trying to say why they might be wrong.

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  3. Brandon Sigall's avatar eaglesfan says:

    -Riddle: The source for the photo is somewhat credible. It is a big news source where lots of people go for their news. If the source seems somewhat credible and it isn’t posted on April Fools day it might seem more real. The explanations for it make it slightly harder to believe. The source says it is common to see however in the UK where this photo is taken, it is extremely rare for it to happen. That starts to make it harder to believe because it already rarely shows up. Somehow in the rare occurrence it did show up someone was ready to take a picture. That is what makes the credibility a little weird and not seem as true.

    -Thai life insurance ad: We conspire to be persuaded. We always want a reward in anything in life. Whether that is watching a video and hoping for something good to happen or other things. Specific ads are chosen in hopes in reaches the target audience. The target for the life insurance ad is young men with children. It is shown to encourage other young men with children to get started on life insurance so that in case of a emergency, the mother and child will be protected.

    -Not because: Sometimes when writing papers or essays, writers can make mistakes and word sentences in the wrong way. The writer knows what they mean when writing it but the reader may interpret that in the wrong way. It is always good to be clear and write things in the best possible way for the reader to understand what is trying to be said.

    -Robust subjects and verbs: Common phrases can kill good prose. Good revision will eliminate or get rid of toxic elements in a piece of writing. The best thing a writer can do with openings like there is, there are, and it is, is to tell the readers something exists. When writing smaller papers like 1,000 words, every sentence matters and a writer should not want to waste a single one if they can. If a sentence is useless, the writer has not written the paper in a good way and clearly did not revise well.

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  4. username1132005's avatar username1132005 says:

    -The riddle of the floating boat above the ocean is teaching us about the validity of sources. It is making us think about whether we think that this photo is credible based on the source and researching it. Fact check can help with determining what is real and what is not, and it is useful to combat fake news. 

    -Undermining the sense of what you read can be dangerous, but if there is a lot of malevolence with the stuff we are showing, it’s normal to want to judge the veracity of what we see. I think that the floating boat is photoshop because I cannot get myself to think that the boat is actually floating. 

    -The ad promoting life insurance shows this guy who feeds a dog, puts a plant under a mass amount of water, and more, showing he is a caring guy. With doing all of these good things, he is not maybe getting anything, maybe physical in return, but the happiness he gets from it and the emotions running through him is what makes it worth it. The point of this ad was to believe in good, and to get life insurance. This can be a good example of a visual rhetoric because we are seeing a video clip with no words, and are analyzing it trying to make sense of the point of the video. 

    -Starting with a “not” and “because” in writing is not necessarily the right thing to do. There needs to be a different way of writing to eliminate using those words at first. There can be other descriptive words to not make it so negative, and put a positive word instead of a negative (not is negative). Avoiding confusion is key for your readers, and by doing this it can help the reader understand the point of the sentence. 

    -Breaking rules for how to keep your readers engaged in writing is that we need to avoid using “is” to begin the sentence with. The word “is” is the weakest of the verbs. Sentence by sentence revisions can be a good tool in order to make your sentences stronger and more robust. There is a paragraph that we have to edit and publish into robust verbs and your username.  

    -The Rebuttal Argument is not a way to honor the likelihood that the opponent is right. Our unpopular opinions can be confusing to the reader, so we have to persuade the reader on what we believe in. For this argument, we have to acknowledge that there are other contradictory opinions. Common knowledge is almost always wrong, however we need to understand that there are other people who do not get our argument. “I understand why you think that, and here is why you are wrong” is the goal of this argument.  

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  5. excellentstudent27's avatar excellentstudent27 says:

    Ship hovering Illusion: Given that the BBC is a very credible source I was immediately drawn to believe that the image is real. After some fact checking I found that some simple light refraction has caused this presumed phenomenon. 

    Thai Life Insurance – Each frame communicates something without the full context. For this ad it seems like a public service announcement, but actually promotes making small payments over time to ensure future benefit of those around you. 

    I don’t love you because – You cannot start with negation in this scenario, for instance “I love you not just for your beauty”, or even better, “I love you for your beauty and your generous heart.” 

    Rebuttal Argument – You have to figure out what the reader is thinking in the back of their mind, and prove them wrong.

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  6. temporal111's avatar temporal111 says:

    we might be inclined to not believe the image of the floating boat, but it came from the bbc which is a credible source, but like its still obviously not floating.

    the ad seems like a psa to be kind but its just an ad for life insurance. the man giving the child money is analogous to insurance or something.

    you wouldn’t say “I don’t love you because you’re beautiful” because its misleading, you would say something like “I love not because you’re beautiful, but for something else.” Your sentence structure should be such that its meaning is unambiguous.

    if you only have 1000 words every sentence has to count. dont start sentences with things like “there are” or “there is” that imply something exists.

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  7. holistic25's avatar holistic25 says:

    The ‘optical illusion’ of the boat picture may very well be a valid photo. The phenomenon of a superior mirage seems to be a documented one according to the linked sources. Thus, I cannot dispute the picture because a) I wasn’t there when the photo was captured b) there seems to be science behind this phenomenon.

    The ultimate goal of a persuasive writer is to guide readers to conclusions they don’t know how they came to.

    The life insurance ad plays on the notion of persuasiveness by tagging the readers with emotions by displaying the ultimate selfless gentlemen who does enough significant acts in donations to a poor child that sends her to school.

    A convoluted sentence is a sentence that follows a negative verb with the word ‘because.’

    There’s nothing more frustrating than using a rhetorical question before getting to your point.

    Just say what you have to say. A hesitant writer makes a hesitant reader (in terms of the conclusions they draw about your argument).

    Get to the point in your first sentence.

    Don’t hint at the problem, rather attack it.

    Draw a starking conclusion as cleanly as you can.

    The point of the rebuttal argument is not to honor the likelihood of your critic being right. Don’t cater to your opposition.

    The point of the rebuttal argument is to persuade the readers who are on the margin.

    The rebuttal argument acknowledges there are other contradictory opinions. For example, “I understand why you think that, but here’s why you are wrong.”

    Common knowledge is almost always wrong.

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  8. ravensfan8's avatar ravensfan8 says:

    -Riddle: Do I think the photo is credible? I think the ship floating somewhat is not real but it could also be an optical illusion or seeing it at a certain angle. I think the BBC is a credible source though because they have been reliable for years so it could make the picture real.

    -Find the argument in the video, not just the message of the video. Find the target audience of the video. Then find what type of argument the video is.

    -Try not to undermine yourself. Sentences that follow a negative verb with because creates confusion for the reader. Eliminate the “not because” just say why you do or do not like them.

    -Common phrases can kill good prose. “Is” is the weakest verb and what we want is “this demonstrates that” or “this happens” etc.

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  9. The Gamer 2.0's avatar The Gamer 2.0 says:
    • The image of the boat that is shown was taken and shown on BBC News and the boat looks like it’s floating over the horizon but its just an optical illusion, a perfect angle taken by the camera. In hindsight the boat is not floating it’s just very far away looking like it’s floating.

    • I love you topic. It talks about how when writing people tend to not really express the sentences the right way make it sound not efficient enough so this was a great explanation of that.

    • You should refrain from using “is” because it’s very overused and it’s a weak verb. It’s important to revise your sentences so that they are able to sound stronger based on your subject that you have chosen.

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  10. Snowman10's avatar Snowman10 says:
    1. Credible Image:
    • Photo appears real but might be deceptive.
    • Importance of source credibility and context.
    • Consideration of believability factors.
    1. Persuasion in Video:
    • Videos aim to influence viewers’ behavior.
    • Emulation of depicted behaviors encouraged.
    • Significance of understanding frame meanings.
    1. Revisions in Writing:
    • Emphasis on clear and concise expression.
    • Avoidance of confusing sentence structures.
    • Direct and assertive communication style.
    1. Robust Subjects and Verbs:
    • Preference for strong language over weak openings.
    • Every sentence should contribute meaningfully.
    • Importance of impactful language choices.
    1. Thai Life Insurance Ad:
    • Ads tailored to specific target demographics.
    • Utilization of emotional appeals.
    • Promotion of financial security for families.
    1. Rebuttal Argument:
    • Directly addressing opposing viewpoints.
    • Persuading undecided readers by countering arguments.
    • Assertive defense of one’s position.
    1. Persuasive Writing Goals:
    • Guiding readers to unexpected conclusions.
    • Crafting compelling and definitive conclusions.
    • Evoking desired responses from readers.
    1. Clarity in Writing:
    • Avoidance of convoluted sentence structures.
    • Direct and succinct communication style.
    • Immediate and clear expression of ideas.
    • Rebuttal Strategy:
    1. Refusal to concede to opposing arguments.
    • Persuasive dismantling of contradictory views.
    • Strengthening one’s own argument through refutation.
    • Questioning Common Knowledge:
    • Challenging commonly held assumptions.
    • Providing evidence to support alternative viewpoints.
    • Highlighting inaccuracies in widely accepted beliefs.

    These sub-points further elaborate on the main ideas, providing a detailed breakdown of each aspect for clearer understanding and application.

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    • (Very light notes) Riddle: On the Validity of Sources: When you see something questionable, deem how reliable the source is. If there is a lot of ill will in what is shown, then it’s up to the readers to see if the information is true as it presents itself or if it’s fake. I believe the source is credible because of how prominent and well-known BBC is. It’s to be assumed that as big as the website is, they would fact-check every piece of information before posting things to their audience. 
    • The Rhetorical Value of Visuals: You realize that every frame is a claim. Viewers play into the video because the end goal is to be persuaded. 
    • Not Because Trying to follow up after a negative verb creates confusion toward the point.
    • Robust Subjects and Verbs: Tell it how it is and there will be no confusion. The point of your claim should be stated within the first sentence or a couple of sentences.

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  11. ilovebeesss's avatar ilovebeesss says:

    – We must be careful when judging the veracity of what we see. When we look for sources for our arguments, we must analyze both the content and the author or the format in which the information is presented.

    – Argument by analogy: involves comparing two things that are similar in certain ways and then suggesting that they are probably similar in other ways as well. Paying for life insurance every month is like making small contributions every day.

    – Start with a positive claim instead of a negative one. Positive affirmations are clearer and easier to understand than negative ones. They provide a simple exposition of what is being stated, making it easier for the reader to understand the main point.

    – Avoid “is” and all the variations of the word “to be” as often as you can because it is by far the weakest word possible. It means something exists but it does not provide us with any context. 

    – Rebuttal argument – is our opportunity to know other contradictory opinions. It’s to tell our readers that we understand why they think that but explain why they are wrong. You have to figure out what the reader is thinking in the back of their mind to be able to prove to them that what they are thinking or assuming is wrong.

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  12. doglover7025's avatar doglover7025 says:

    Is source credible— I believe that BBC is credible, I’ve read stuff on there that seems legit and displays real information

    Trusting image- I’m not sure I believe it, something seems off

    Negative verbs—- you wouldnt say “ I dont love you because… thats misleading, instead say “I love you not only for your beauty”

    Make sure to complete in class exercise

    Robust subjects and verbs- stop starting sentences with It’s/they’re/there’s, it’s a weak opener.

    Find the most robust verb you can

    Robust exercise is due 

    Rebuttal argument- 4/8

    It will identity the argument you feel is the strongest rebuttal to your own thesis, its an opportunity to acknowledge that there are other opinions

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  13. Gymrat's avatar Gymrat says:
    • Regardless of what source it comes from I do not think the image is real. Reading through the article it also states that it is an illusion. 
    • Do not contradict yourself in your writing.
      • Example: I don’t love you because you are beautiful; WRONG 
      • I love you not just because you are beautiful
    • dont hint at thinks, be blunt or straightforward
    • “Is” could kill a whole argument. use things like “this demonstrates that”
    • you only have 1000 words make it count
    • rebuttal argument: due 4/7, the point is to persuade the reader on why my belief is right and theirs isn’t without undermining their feelings.

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  14. toetio's avatar toetio says:

    Riddle: On the Validity of sources

    • The image shown to us is of a boat which appears to be floating above the horizon.  The Image from the BBC article claims that it is a legitimate photo and not a fake.  The article claims it is an optical illusion.
    • Various factors can influence our likelihood of believing a claim.  I have personally heard of this optical illusion before, but the fact that this was presented to us on April fool’s day made me second guess myself.
    • Since the image is from the BBC, I am more inclined to trust it.  The fact that there are other sources which say the same thing, particularly the University of British Columbia makes me believe that the image is an optical illusion.
    • We trust sources based on their credibility.  That to me creates two questions.
      • How does a source become credible?
      • What sources do credible sources use?

    The Rhetorical value of visuals

    • The video we watched was an ad for Thai life insurance.  The central character of the video was a young man who repeatedly does good acts throughout the day, usually involving giving something away.
    • Without seeing the end of the video, a viewer would have no way of knowing that it was related to life insurance in any way.  The man giving out money for the little girl is supposed to be equated to putting money into life insurance for the sake of one’s family.  This connection is only apparent once pointed out.

    Not because

    • A negative verb followed by because can confuse a reader.  In most cases they will latch onto the negative verb and assume anything that follows because is an explanation for the negative verb
    • The best alternative for these sentences are shorter and bolder declarations that don’t confuse the reader.
      • Example: I love you for your beauty and your generous heart.  Is a good alternative to I don’t love you because you’re beautiful.

    Robust Subjects and Verbs

    • In our professor’s view, every argument is a pyramid of smaller arguments, with each level being supported by the one below it.
    • Essay (long argument) supported by paragraphs (short argument) supported by sentences (short arguments)
    • A strong sentence is made up of a robust subject and a verb.

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  15. hockeyfan's avatar hockeyfan says:

    I was absent: 

    Riddle: I don’t feel that the picture is credible. With any background on the photo I would believe that it was photoshopped due to that fact that it seems impossible for it to be real. 

    Life insurance ad: I feel that most ads are meant to hit some kid of emotion in order for you to engage in the ad. This in turn would make you act on the ad such as buying life insurance for your child as a young dad. 

    Robust Subjects: Having a strong opening is extremely important, it was draws your readers in. Having strong to the point wording can also help catch your readers attention. Choosing an interesting topic can make or break your argument. If you have a stronger argument then you will be able to back up your thesis more.

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