Class 08: MON FEB 12

Riddle: What’s Asserted, What’s Denied?

Genius Hypothesis

How would you construct an experiment to test the Hypothesis
“Bees Don’t Fly in the Dark”?

Too Late to Meme

First, you might need to know who Christopher Walken is. He has one of Hollywood’s most recognizable faces. But it never occurred to me that he resembled a famous actress until I saw
a particular image of him as a young man.

 

Paragraph Size

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The Ideal Reader
(Elevator Instructions)

Elevatoor

 

Definition Unit Preview

Defining Terms Your Way

The Peoples Republic of China (mainland China, excluding Hong Kong), has for some time been repressing the defenders of the more democratic government of the small part of China designated the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People’s Republic of China (HKSAR). Some would argue there is very little democracy left in Hong Kong. Recently, BBCHARDTalk, host Steven Sackur put the question to Hong Kong legislative councillor Dominic Lee Tsz King, a high profile defender of Beijing’s increasingly tight grip on the territory: “With pro-democracy activists arrested, exiled or cowed into silence, has ‘One country, Two systems’ morphed into one country, one system?”

Lee offered this novel definition of Democracy;

Link to the HARDTalk broadcast

When we look at democracy, there are a lot of different systems. Democracy does not just represent election politics, if that’s what you’re referring to. In China, we practice what we call “Whole Process Democracy,” at which democracy is in every stage of the decision-making process—an election is one part of it, one big part of it, but if we’re too consumed about elections, we put too much focus and too much time into elections . . . .

Defining Terms 2

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Fireball’s parent company is facing a class-action lawsuit alleging that the brand falsely advertises the miniature bottles sold at checkout counters using this language: “With Natural Whisky & Other Flavors and Caramel Color.” To be clear, the product is not whisky. It’s a malt- and wine-based drink containing whisky flavoring. The full-sized bottles sold in the same stores are flavored whisky.

38 Responses to Class 08: MON FEB 12

  1. excellentstudent27's avatar excellentstudent27 says:

    Assertion and Denial: All the claims in the assertion are said to be claimed individually and not as a whole, so if one claim wasn’t true the entire claim is not false. Cases of denial would be difficult given each claim would have to be denied in order for the sum of all the claims to be false.

    Too Late to Meme: Sometimes you reach the thrill of discovering a new claim. Then later discover that you are late to the party.

    Paragraph Size:

    Rule 1: A paragraph should be 1 idea long, the paragraph should not contain another main idea

    Rule 2: The entire paragraph should fit into one screen on the WordPress blog. If you cannot fill this it may seem like you don’t have great claims and evidence.

    The Ideal Reader: If you are trying to persuade an audience from one idea to another, you have to know the type of reader. You should know what they like, who they are, where they are, etc. You are in charge of who it is you want to write to.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Nice observations, ES!
      Here’s one I would like to nuance for you though:

      Rule 2: The entire paragraph should fit into one screen on the WordPress blog. If you cannot fill this it may seem like you don’t have great claims and evidence.;

      —Short paragraphs can be very effective when they’re deliberate.
      —On the other hand, as you suggest, accidental brevity can indicate that you don’t have enough reasoning or evidence to support your Main Idea.
      Grade 3/3

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  2. holistic25's avatar holistic25 says:

    A paragraph is one idea long.

    You should have the ideal reader in mind when writing persuasive works because who you’re trying to sell your idea to matters. The more specific you are with your ideal reader, the more clarity and specificity you can implement with the details themselves. You can address their individual needs to have a better chance of selling your idea.

    An elevator’s function is needing to know what to do when certain things happen. You can write persuasively to a concept this simple as long as you adopt a rhetoric the elevator would understand, establish a set of behavioral guidelines, declutter extra information about the elevator’s need to know, and include specific details even if the passengers don’t need to know.

    Picking your ideal reader means how you choose your argument and phrase that argument.

    How does Fireball get away with their advertisement not being labeled whiskey? Fireball is trying to convince their audience it’s whiskey flavoring and other flavors as well as caramel color.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      who you’re trying to sell your idea to

      —That’s Really Nicely Said, Holistic. 🙂

      Regarding:

      An elevator’s function is needing to know what to do when certain things happen . . . [de-clutter the work of any] extra information about the elevator’s need to know . . . even if the passengers don’t need to know.

      —Also true that the elevator doesn’t need to know about passengers, even that they exist!

      Fireball is trying to convince their audience it’s whiskey flavoring and other flavors as well as caramel color.

      —I might has confused you on that score. Fireball in the miniature bottles ISN’T whiskey, but their phrasing strongly suggests that it is.

      Well-written summaries. Grade 4/3

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  3. ilovemydog's avatar ilovemydog says:

    When several things are asserted, the author is presumed to have asserted all that was said, but in reality, the author may not necessarily mean the sum total of those same assertions.
    A false claim can be tolerated without invalidating the entire assertion.
    A paragraph size is the size of our idea. That is how long our paragraph should be.
    Our paragraphs also shouldn’t contain more than one idea.
    Paying attention to screen size and how our work will be presented to a reader is an important thing to consider.
    When we write we are trying to tell stories to our readers and were are also trying to sell them something.
    When we write for an audience we need to write in a rhetoric and tone that the reader would understand. It would include details that are needed for the reader’s understanding.
    Speaking about elevator instructions helps create the understanding that clear directions and writing to the audience are really important.
    Fireball’s parent company is under a lawsuit because they have been falsely advertising the miniature bottle as whiskey when it isn’t.
    The grammar and the way that they write things on their bottles is the way they try to convince the audience that they are drinking actual whisky when they aren’t. They never implied that they were drinking actual whisky.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      They never implied that they were drinking actual whisky.

      —Oh, yes, they did. “Whisky and Flavors” certainly suggests that the bottles contain whisky. The grammar wants to have it both ways 1. It suggests whisky; 2. The company can plausibly deny that that was their intention.

      Very nice one-sentence summaries!
      4/3

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  4. -Our riddle for today goes over the notion of suggesting an insane idea
    -Discussing the story of Sweeney Todd and how we should attempt to make sure that all of our claims shouldn’t be able to be simply discredited due to one weak link in our sentence.
    -A way to prove that bees not fly in the dark is to create a controlled environment and to simply turn the lights on and off.
    -We also conducted an exercise where we wrote instructions for an elevato

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  5. username1132005's avatar username1132005 says:

    -”If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.”-Albert Einstein. It is a good way to go about thinking by coming up with something that you cannot disprove, and see if there is any positive proof for it.
    -This riddle taught us about assertion. This riddle talked about Sweeney Todd and how false claims can be discussed without invaliding the assertion.
    -The experiment regarding if bees can fly in the dark or only in the light. There was a glass cage with a light on it filled with bees flying and the second the light went off immediately all the bees fell to the ground.
    -”A paragraph is one idea long.” I learned to stop making paragraphs too long, and to make them shorter so that you can focus just on what you need, and get to the point more. Each paragraph just needs to contain one main idea.
    -When writing, we are trying to sell our topic, and give as much information as possible, add background information, and stick to the claim all while persuading the reader.
    -Then we worked with groups to do the elevator activity, which taught us how to talk to one reader.
    -Fireball’s company is in a lawsuit right now due to false advertising mini shooters as whiskey as it claims on the bottle, but it really is just a wine concentrate. This taught us that the advertising is what sold us to buy the bottle and how the consumer thought that they were drinking whiskey.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Thank you so much for remembering this, Username. As I was saying it I thought, “I hope I remember that observation about moving from [not disproved] to [concluded from evidence].
      Good Notes throughout.
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  6. ilovebeesss's avatar ilovebeesss says:

    – “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope” – Alber Einstein. It reinforces the idea of creative thinking based on challenges and absurd ideas that have the potential to become great ideas. It is being willing to risk leaving your comfort zone to demonstrate an idea.
    – Riddle: In assertion, false claims can be tolerated, which means that a claim could be false and the assertion could still be correct since each statement has its individual weight of responsibility to be correct or not.
    – Hypothesis: To know if a hypothesis is correct, we must test it. For example, knowing that bees do not fly in the dark. We can’t say this just because we don’t see bees at night, we need to conduct an experiment that can test our hypothesis, like putting a group of bees under a bright light and then turning it off.
    – Paragraph size: A paragraph is the length of one idea. A small idea equals small paragraphs. More complex ideas require longer paragraphs, but it might be even better if we can reduce a 1000-word idea to a 300-word paragraph.
    – The ideal reader: trying to sell something specific to a group of individuals while narrating a story. We start with a premise and background. Meanwhile, we try to persuade the reader by addressing him individually.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      I realize it’s a big claim to call our writing the selling of an idea through narrative, but I hope to come close to proving it if you give me a semester.
      Very nice Notes.
      4/3

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  7. Snowman10's avatar Snowman10 says:

    1)Assertion and Denial:
    – Claims in an assertion are treated individually, not as a whole.
    – If one claim is false, it doesn’t necessarily make the entire assertion false.
    – Denying the entire assertion would require denying each individual claim.

    2)Too Late to Meme:
    – Sometimes, one discovers a new claim only to realize they’re late to the party.

    3)Paragraph Size:
    – A paragraph should convey one main idea.
    – It should fit into one screen on a WordPress blog.
    – Avoid including multiple main ideas in a paragraph.

    4)The Ideal Reader:
    – Consider the audience when writing persuasively.
    – Specificity about the ideal reader enhances clarity and effectiveness.
    – Address the individual needs of the ideal reader to increase persuasiveness.

    5)Elevator’s Function:
    – Write persuasively to simple concepts like elevator functions.
    – Use a rhetoric the elevator would understand.
    – Include specific details relevant to the elevator’s needs.

    6)Fireball Advertisement:
    – Fireball advertises without labeling its product as whiskey.
    – Claims are made about whiskey flavoring, other flavors, and caramel color.
    – Asserted claims may not encompass the full intention of the author.
    – False claims can coexist with other true claims in an assertion.

    7)Writing for the Audience:
    – Use a tone and rhetoric understandable to the reader.
    – Include necessary details for reader understanding.
    – Consider how the work will appear to the reader, such as screen size.

    8)Fireball Lawsuit:
    – Fireball’s parent company faces a lawsuit for falsely advertising its product as whiskey.
    – The company’s grammar and labeling attempt to convince consumers they are drinking whiskey.
    – They never explicitly claim the product is actual whiskey.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Your Notes are always extraordinary, Snowman.
      Today, this is my favorite phrasing of important claims:

      – Asserted claims may not encompass the full intention of the author.
      – False claims can coexist with other true claims in an assertion.

      Really well said
      Grade 4/3
      (You didn’t think 5/3 was going to be an ongoing score, I hope.)

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  8. – Quote of the day: The purpose was that it’s a good way to go about living, one should come up with the nuttiest thing they can prove, and find the positives of it.

    – Riddle: “What’s asserted and what’s denied?”
    – Assertion: A big assertion makes multiple truth values and claims. One false claim can be tolerated without invalidating all the other little truths clumped together.
    – Denial: He might have killed them before or after the shave; but he can deny the murder because if the claim is that he disposes of the bodies all in the same way and location, how does he turn them into meat pies?

    – Real-life example: AAMCO asertises plays car sounds to diagnose them, as real problems or simple fixes. They say nothing they can’t fix that they haven’t heard, The wording is important because it can misconstrued for what you actually mean.

    – Genius Hypothesis: How to test “Do bees fly in the dark?”: You would test it out, take a bee out at night, and see how it reacts, the bees will fly when it’s light outside but when the light disappears, they immediately fall and will have to crawl. Working out an idea is crucial to proving your point and creating purposeful meanings in your writing.

    – Too Late meme: Getting a thrill of a possibly “new” hypothesis is great but finding different sources could show you that you’re not the first one to come up with something.

    – Paragraph size: The Professor shows the class how important paragraph size is, the rule is that a paragraph is one idea long; they shouldn’t contain more than one idea. Having short paragraphs shows the reader that you don’t have many ideas to present, leading the professor to compare work to other sources of choice to evaluate where the development of the writing kind of went “left”. Paying attention to the visual representation of how your work may present itself is important.

    – The Ideal reader (elevator instructions): We have to visualize who we are talking to so we can effectively sell what we’re trying to get across. Sell them something by knowing a bit about them. You get to be in charge of who you’re writing to and what you present to them. We have to decide who we’re writing for.

    – Elevator process instructions:
    Clear and specific instructions don’t have to detail everything that isn’t important, only explain only what is need to be known.

    (What does it need to know):

    – How much weight it can tolerate, should be in writing that the weight is unbalanced.
    – After 15 seconds of inactivity, the elevator cart should go back to its base.
    – Has to know when to go up and down, and be able to show riders by visible signs which direction it’s bound to go in that moment.
    – Wait 10 seconds before closing the door
    – The elevator should go in numerical order instead of skipping around, if going up elevator should complete going all the way up before proceeding down.
    – If the emergency button is pressed, return to the nearest floor to let passengers out, and signal for emergency services while also sending signals to the operator.
    – If instructed by the button, doors will forcibly shut, and will not force open or close when in motion or before reaching a floor.
    – Be able to tell passengers to wait before exiting or entering to prepare themselves for the weight change.

    – TheChatGPT: It’s considered “dumb” but to test out the intellegence is for one to try on their own.The flaw with the topic asked about the elevator, specific questions like this was never really a real world problem that was asked, therefore, the computer doen’t know the best way to respond to the specific information that it’s being asked for. It can be useful without having to use specifics about a topic, if you try and alter the group the computer is talking to, it will construct the text to include or “take out” information to appeal to the specific audience.

    – Defining terms your own way: you can use different shades on meaning to distinguish clearly what you’re trying to get across. Quote: Youre either a democracy or not. Its open to question, lee described what democracy means; there are many systems, democracy is engaged in every step of the process when it comes to major decisions.

    – Fireball cinnamon whiskey: should assume that it’s whiskey, facing a class action lawsuit, they advertise smaller bottles using language that makes you assume it’s all whiskey when it’s not. The product is NOT whisky, it only contains whisky flavors, full-sized bottles are whisky-flavored malt wine.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      I see by the size of your contribution that you’re going for “the win” here, NatureChild. Let’s see what you have to say 🙂 :

      – Quote of the day: The purpose was that it’s a good way to go about living, one should come up with the nuttiest thing they can prove, and find the positives of it.

      —Very nice. One thing about outrageous or “absurd” claims, though: the first step is to discover that you “can’t disprove” it. Absolute proof may be impossible, but strong evidence laid over “can’t disprove it” usually wins the argument.

      – Riddle: “What’s asserted and what’s denied?”
      – Assertion: A big assertion makes multiple truth values and claims. One false claim can be tolerated without invalidating all the other little truths clumped together.
      – Denial: He might have killed them before or after the shave; but he can deny the murder because if the claim is that he disposes of the bodies all in the same way and location, how does he turn them into meat pies?

      —You lost me in the Denial section. It’s probably my fault. Let me try again.
      —The murderer can DENY that he sliced his victim’s throat AND baked his body parts into a SHEPHERD’S pie EVEN IF he sliced his victim’s throat and baked the parts into a POT pie.
      —All he has to say is “Your [3-part] assertion is untrue.”

      – Real-life example: AAMCO asertises plays car sounds to diagnose them, as real problems or simple fixes. They say nothing they can’t fix that they haven’t heard, The wording is important because it can misconstrued for what you actually mean.

      —And again, in case I did not describe the riddle adequately: “There’s nothing we haven’t heard and can’t fix” is easy for AAMCO to claim, but it’s useless to the consumer to say, which is their claim, that “We’ve never failed to fix a problem we’ve never heard.”

      – Paragraph size: Having short paragraphs shows the reader that you don’t have many ideas to present.

      —I must have said something like that. Yours aren’t the only Notes to mention it. Deliberately short paragraphs that make a single point succinctly and effectively can be very powerful persuaders. They almost always get read if a reader is skimming. But if a main idea requires development, the paragraph should contain it. If it doesn’t, it’s too short not by word count but for lack of evidence.

      ELEVATOR INSTRUCTIONS

      – If the emergency button is pressed, return to the nearest floor to let passengers out, and signal for emergency services while also sending signals to the operator.

      —Here you do a beautiful job of directly addressing your audience, which is The Elevator. You tell the elevator what to do in response to stimulus.

      – If instructed by the button, doors will forcibly shut, and will not force open or close when in motion or before reaching a floor.

      —Here, though, you forget your audience and predict, to an outside reader, what will happen in a situation. The Elevator ignores this content.

      – TheChatGPT: The flaw with the topic asked about the elevator, specific questions like this was never really a real world problem that was asked, therefore, the computer doesn’t know the best way to respond to the specific information that it’s being asked for.

      —I’m really glad you recorded this bit, NatureChild.
      —ChatGPT is just a text generator that echoes what it has heard. It’s VERY GOOD at doing that, but the program doesn’t reason. It summarizes, rephrases, and repeats.
      —If no one has ever published Elevator Instructions, ChatGPT has nothing of value to say. But it will spit out language.

      – Defining terms your own way: You’re either a democracy or not. Its open to question

      —Thanks for noting that.

      – Fireball cinnamon whiskey

      —Fact check: The large bottles are flavored whiskey; actual whiskey with flavors.
      —Fact check: The mini bottles are a wine beverage with whiskey flavoring, no whiskey at all.

      I appreciate your extraordinary dedication to the simple job of Note-taking, NatureChild. You haven’t just reported what was said. You’ve evaluated and interpreted every claim made in class, summarized it to fit a small space, and turned it into language of your own. That’s the academic writing process in a nutshell.

      I’m going 5/3 on your grade here.
      Don’t expect to meet this challenge every time.
      4/3 is for extraordinary Notes. 5/3 is just to say Yeah. I really noticed.

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  9. Brandon Sigall's avatar eaglesfan says:

    -Quote: “If the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope.” This could be a good way of thinking as the crazier the idea, the better a idea can be.
    -Riddle: What’s asserted, what’s denied? The prosecutor in Sweeney Todd asserts that Todd kills his victims with a razor and then sends them into an oven and makes them into meat pies. That is a long assertion. There is one wrong statement however and that is where the denial comes in. Sweeney Todd could deny the assertion that he dismembered the victims with an axe. Todd saying something is not true could provide a blanket denial making the prosecutor think he is saying to killing the victims in general instead of that specific way with the axe.
    -Genius Hypothesis: How could the hypothesis “bees don’t fly” in the dark be proven? If a person goes out during the night they will not be flying but that’s not the answer. Collect some bees and put them in the dark and see what happens. If they are in the dark they immediately stop flying.
    -Paragraph size: Students should not make paragraphs in writing too long. Paragraphs are one idea long. They are not measured by how many words are in it. Paragraphs contain supporting points, evidence, etc. Paragraphs should not contain more then one main idea per paragraph. The paragraph should not take up more then the screen can show. If it bleeds off into a scroll it is too long.
    -Defining terms your way: Student can choose to talk about topic in any type of language to convey or get ideas across. Students should be able to make distinctions in what they are writing and reading.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Yes, I’d say from your explanation that you understand the Assertion/Denial conundrum and how it could be exploited by insincere arguers who make blanket denials based on a small contradiction in the details of the assertion.

      As for the bees, “Absence of evidence is not conclusive.” We can’t say bees don’t fly in the dark JUST BECAUSE we’ve never seen bees fly in the dark. Here, a positive proof does the trick.

      Students “can choose to talk about topic in any type of language to convey or get ideas across” BECAUSE students elect who their audience is and adapt their rhetoric and tone to meet the needs of the Ideal Reader.

      Nice work, EaglesFan
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  10. Unknown's avatar Anonymous says:

    -Albert Einstein quote: science works in thought of trying. Crazy ideas or hard thought ideas do not need to change.
    -Too late to meme: You can discover a new claim and think that you are one of the only people to know it. Making it exciting that you found it. Then find out that other people have already discovered it.
    -A paragraph is one long idea. The paragraph should only contain that idea. The paragraph should fit in the word press box if not then most likely you are just putting words done that don’t mean anything.
    – When trying to persuade an audience or reader make sure to understand who your audience is. It is up to you to decide who you want to write to.

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  11. BreakingBad45's avatar BreakingBad45 says:

    AGENDA NOTES MONDAY 2/12

    The quote of the day shows the thought of an idea can not be crazy however it needs to be proven to do so. It gives you the freedom to create more ideas and questions

    If you were the defendant for sydney todd you would say he didnt do it you would like to talk about why you defend Sydney Todd

    Todd can deny that he did one part of the case and it would affect everything in the scenario

    Bees are unable to move or perform in the dark because of the routine tney are used to in the day

    The idea of someone taking or having an idea before you can be very common especially when the topic is something quite common

    A paragraph should be one idea long, if it’s small it should be little if it’s a bigger idea add more. Try to ideally get around 300 words.

    Having 3 paragraphs shows that you may not know as much material is portrayed

    When reading a passage you are trying to sell stuff as well as telling stories

    Chat GPT could benefit you as a research according to Professor Hodges because it figures out a way to talk to different audiences

    Take a member in class and discuss write rules while being on a elevator

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      I’d have to grade these Notes severely if I graded them entirely on how well they communicate your thinking to others. Many of them confuse me. But their primary purpose is to be meaningful to YOU. They convince me that you’re interacting with the material and striving to make sense of it all.

      One thing I’d like to clarify. You say:

      —A paragraph should be one idea long, if it’s small it should be little if it’s a bigger idea add more. Try to ideally get around 300 words.
      —Having 3 paragraphs shows that you may not know as much material is portrayed

      How I Should Have Explained it:

      —A paragraph should be one idea long.
      —Some ideas can be explained and illustrated briefly.
      —Others require more detail, evidence, reasoning, an example . . . .
      —There’s no good word count to strive for. Let the size of the idea dictate.
      —HOWEVER: a good rule of thumb is that if it bleeds off the top and bottom of the WordPress screen when viewed full-size, it probably contains more than one main idea.
      —And If I SEE a paragraph bleeding off the page, I start looking for the natural break where the paragraph should be divided. There’s often more than one.

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  12. temporal111's avatar temporal111 says:

    Einstein quote: maybe is supposed to apply to science more, i feel like you could have a simple not absurd idea that works. Or maybe it’s metaphorical and I’m missing the point.
    Sometimes assertions will have multiple assertions within it who’s truth values are independent of the others, so you could say it’s false or true based on whichever assertion you focus on
    And statements can be misleading, “there’s nothing we haven’t heard and can’t fix” might just mean they haven’t heard much
    Catering your writing towards a certain audience is like telling an elevator very specific instructions on how to work

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Hmmm. Clearly there’s room in the world for non-controversial ideas. Problems can be solved without resorting to absurd proposals, too. But Einstein, and writers of compelling persuasive Comp II arguments, like to challenge themselves by tackling persistent problems and mysteries that don’t yield to obvious conclusions or simple solutions.

      If a problem’s been around for awhile, and efforts to solve it conventionally have failed (an Einstein sort of problem), then the nuttier the better for a Hypothesis that can justify a fresh approach.

      If I tell you “Safer Cars Create Accidents” you might object that it’s absurd to say so, but it’s worth considering that when drivers feel safe they take more chances behind the wheel with the result that . . . .

      As for

      And statements can be misleading, “there’s nothing we haven’t heard and can’t fix” might just mean they haven’t heard much

      —My way of summarizing their useless claim is that “We have never failed to fix a sound we haven’t heard.”

      Thanks for arguing, Temporal.
      I like Notes that challenge the material.
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  13. The Gamer 2.0's avatar The Gamer 2.0 says:

    The quote is a very interesting one. I love how he said that because it’s true you have to push beyond your limits to know how far you can go.
    Assertion that was shown has multiple different claims on one assertion saying a number of things for a benefit of one thing. The denied will pick out the one thing that was wrong and could deny the entire assertion because one claim was untrue.
    How you would figure the hypothesis of if “Bees Don’t fly in the Dark” you would test it by putting it in a room full of darkness and see what happens to them.
    The rule for a paragraph should be an idea, not too many built words in one.You shouldn’t have just one introduction, body, and conclusion you should break to give more information which is better for you always. When you are writing you should see which and know and visualize who you are writing to and and your audience as well.
    In-Class Exercise – At base down arrow should open the door as well as up and once a person is detected inside the elevator the door should close after 3 seconds. And the button labeled with a number will determine which floor you’re going on. In a case on the third floor and a person on the 4 is waiting for the elevator and someone also on the 2 floor is waiting for an elevator, it would go towards the higher number first before going to the base and in the moment stop at the 2 floor picking up that person too. When no one has clicked the elevator or has left the elevator, the elevator should stay at the same spot inactive waiting for the next click. The light indicators should always be on and ready to inform the people where the elevator is and located.
    The fireball argument can be determined true because they do have a lot whiskey flavoring in it technically proven themselves right.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Except for the one Instruction Writer who addressed the weight limit and how the elevator would respond to an overload, nobody else discussed that the elevator might “detect” a person entering or riding in the car. Do you think the elevator needs to know it’s occupied? Or would it respond to button pushes regardless? Would it stay open if no person entered, or wait indefinitely for a person to enter before closing the doors, for example?
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  14. Gymrat's avatar Gymrat says:

    The best way to go about thinking is to come up with the craziest thing and see if there is any positive in it
    Assertion? The author is presumed to have individually asserted each of them but not the total
    Denial: comes in when you want to disapprove the asserted claim, with a single word the whole claim could be denied
    Bees do not fly in the dark only in the day
    You are not always the first to come up with something, sometimes we believe we are, but the reality of the phenomenon could have already been seen by someone else
    Rule: a paragraph is one idea long
    Try always to find a way to be persuasive to your reader, know what audience you are trying to target, and continue to do that
    The elevator is an example of the writing:
    Adapt a specific way of writing for someone to understand
    Allow there to be guidelines depending on the writing you have
    Including details
    Ex: chat gpt knows how to talk to people to attract the audience needed

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Brilliant Notes, Gymrat.
      This, for example:

      —Assertion? The author is presumed to have individually asserted each of them but not the total
      —Denial: comes in when you want to disapprove the asserted claim, with a single word the whole claim could be denied

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  15. doglover7025's avatar doglover7025 says:

    Riddle- whats asserted, whats denied?- assertion vs. denial. If one claim is false that doesnt mean that the whole sentence is false! For example… the AAMCO, Incorrect wording could confuse the reader and the whole sentence would be incorrect

    Genius hypothesis- “bees dont fly in the dark”- when light went off in the cage, the bees dropped to the bottom. To make sure that our hypothesis is correct, we must test it. Like the example above, there was a cage of bees, theyre were flying around until the lights went off and they fell to ground. That shows that the hypothesis was successful.

    Paragraph size- a paragraph is one idea long, it’s the length of our idea. They shouldn’t be measured by word count, they shouldn’t contain more than one main idea.

    Too late to meme- Sometimes we come up with a claim that could be a hypothesis, but then we realize that somebody already came up with that hypothesis.

    You get to be in charge of who you’re writing to, we should start thinking about who were writing too for the following paper.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Good enough.
      One point:

      Genius hypothesis- “bees don’t fly in the dark”- they were flying around until the lights went off and they fell to ground. That shows that the hypothesis was successful.

      —The Hypothesis could have been successful either way. Any result is a success if it proves something, even if it provides compelling evidence that nothing can be proved.
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  16. Unknown's avatar Anonymous says:

    Albert Einstein quote “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it” Ideas that are absurd have value. If you disprove your absurd ideas you have learned something, so in that way, these ideas can be valuable. Absurd Ideas can also be valuable on the basis of their originality, it is sometimes the most absurd ideas which contribute something new to a discussion.

    What’s asserted, What’s Denied. This riddle gave us an example of multiple claims that have been lumped together. If one of the claims is refuted, it does not mean that the other ones are not true, however, a skilled debater can make it appear that way. This teaches us that it is best to avoid lumping large amounts of claims together.

    Bees don’t fly in the dark. This experiment demonstrates an important aspect of designing tests. If you had just waited until nighttime to see if there were any bees out, you would have an impossible amount of variables to account for. By conducting the test in a single room, the experimenter was able to reduce the amount of variables affecting the experiment.

    Too late to meme. This story was given to the class to teach us that it is better to be wrong, but add something new to a conversation than to be right but unoriginal.

    Defining terms. The first example was of a person using many words to say nothing, in order to dodge a question. The second example was of a company using careful wording in order to make their product appear to be whiskey, without actually making the claim that it is whiskey. These are both tricks to be wary of when analyzing the rhetoric of others

    Paragraph size. Paragraphs should generally cover one idea, once your writing shifts to a new idea it is a good place to start a new paragraph.

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    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Toetio, I am so impressed with these Notes, I’m going to remark on each of your Purposeful Summaries here.,

      Albert Einstein quote “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it” Ideas that are absurd have value. If you disprove your absurd ideas you have learned something, so in that way, these ideas can be valuable. Absurd Ideas can also be valuable on the basis of their originality, it is sometimes the most absurd ideas which contribute something new to a discussion.

      —I love this Summary.
      —The theory that the earth revolved around the sun instead of the opposite was at one time absurd and intolerable, an idea that could cost you your head.
      —Proving that it couldn’t be disproved was the first step toward accepting the entire theory.

      What’s asserted, What’s Denied. This riddle gave us an example of multiple claims that have been lumped together. If one of the claims is refuted, it does not mean that the other ones are not true, however, a skilled debater can make it appear that way. This teaches us that it is best to avoid lumping large amounts of claims together.

      —You’ve teased out the several conclusions there brilliantly. Claims are separable, but skilled debaters pretend they’re not. Readers need to be wary of blanket denials that mask near-total acknowledgment.

      Bees don’t fly in the dark. This experiment demonstrates an important aspect of designing tests. If you had just waited until nighttime to see if there were any bees out, you would have an impossible amount of variables to account for. By conducting the test in a single room, the experimenter was able to reduce the amount of variables affecting the experiment.

      —So right.
      —NOT OBSERVING bees flying at night has evidentiary value but is insufficient to prove the claim that they don’t. Figuring out a way to observe them switch from FLY to DON’T FLY in response to a single variable carries the proof.

      Too late to meme. This story was given to the class to teach us that it is better to be wrong, but add something new to a conversation than to be right but unoriginal.

      —I’m going to pretend that I could have said that myself but that I was leaving it on the table, face down, to see if anybody would turn the card over.
      —It takes the pot. Beautifully phrased.

      Defining terms. The first example was of a person using many words to say nothing, in order to dodge a question. The second example was of a company using careful wording in order to make their product appear to be whiskey, without actually making the claim that it is whiskey. These are both tricks to be wary of when analyzing the rhetoric of others

      —No matter what pitch I throw, you knock it out of the park here, Toetio.
      —These little lessons are good for alerting readers, for sure.
      —They’re also tips for propagandists who wish to bamboozle their readers into drawing false conclusions.
      —I have to trust you’ll use them for good. 🙂

      Paragraph size. Paragraphs should generally cover one idea, once your writing shifts to a new idea it is a good place to start a new paragraph.

      —Yep. That’s the takeaway. You’re perfect at the plate.
      —You even knew to ignore the “spin” that might have made you swing at word count to describe the right size.

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  17. toetio's avatar toetio says:

    I forgot to log in before commenting this. This comment is from Toetio.

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  18. hockeyfan's avatar hockeyfan says:

    “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it” Come up with an idea you cannot prove and then try to see if you can find positive proof for it.

    Riddle: If a claim is seen to be false, that does not mean that the entire assertion with small truths in between is inaccurate such as the fireball claim.

    Sometimes you may think you have a brilliant idea, but then you may come to find out it was already discovered by others.

    Hypothesis: “Bees don’t fly in the dark”. To construct a hypothesis you would go out in the dark and see if there are any bees flying. The video we viewed showed bees flying in the light and then once the light was turned off they immediately fell to the ground.

    Paragraph size: they are one idea long, think of them as small essays to develop a thesis.

    Knowing your audience, if you want to sell something you need to know who you are selling to and how to make it appealing to them.

    Fireball: the whiskey brand is in a lawsuit due to the fact that they did not explicitly say the miniature bottles of their product was a malt beverage instead of actual whiskey. They used words such as whiskey, and natural flavorings to make it seem like there was actual whiskey in the beverage.

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  19. SleepyCat's avatar SleepyCat says:

    – A tiny idea can be put into a lengthy paragraph, but a big idea can be developed into multiple paragraphs. A long paragraph can give the illusion that we don’t have a lot to talk about and can lose the main ideas in the mass of words.
    – The ideal reader is someone we can sell our idea to and addressing their needs can increase how well we persuade them.
    – Wording and grammar can exponentially change the true meaning of a sentence/claim.

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  20. webbwrestler135's avatar webbwrestler135 says:

    “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.”
    -Albert Einstein

    Riddle- What’s asserted, what’s denied?

    The example at AAMCO where they say “at AAMCO, there’s nothing we haven’t heard and can’t fix”

    This doesn’t mean they haven’t heard or that they can’t fix it, but there is probably still issues that they haven’t heard and won’t be able too fix

    Bees don’t fly in the dark hypothesis- so simple and so genius because all the researcher has to do is get bees and put them in the dark

    Too late to meme- Professor shares his experience of when he thought he was the first person to see the recumbence between Christopher Walken and Scarlett Johansson but while doing his research he came to found out that he wasn’t the first one and his excitement went away

    Paragraph Sizing- Professor informs us of the size our paragraphs should be depending on the length of the idea that we are sharing. If the idea is a main point then the paragraph has a rightful reason to be extended a little bit but if its a small idea the the paragraph can be minuscule. A paragraph should only include one idea not multiple

    The Ideal Reader (Elevator Instructions)
    We paired up into groups or pairs and we wrote our own instructions for a select group or audience that were taking an elevator

    Defining terms your own way-
    Fireball (alcohol company) is facing a class-action lawsuit because people are claiming that the company is falsely advertising their mini bottles sold at the checkouts of liquor stores

    Fireball puts that its “with natural whiskey and other flavors and caramel color”
    Which isn’t true because its a malt, wine based drink containing whiskey flavoring

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